Tuesday, February 20, 2007

Iraq and Afghanistan

I went to listen to John Major speak at lunchtime. What joy to hear the polish and wit of an elder statesman! He made some interesting comments on Iraq and Afghanistan, both places where we have insufficient troops and inadequate resources. Iraq was entered on falsehoods. Casualties and civil violence are growing but the Iraqi government won't let the army enter the worst areas because it would be "inflammatory". Unemployment is 50-60%, inflation 70% and resentment is focussed on the coalition. There is a double dilemma: if we leave there may well be civil war or a militant Islamic government, if we stay, the resentment grows everyday.
Nobody has a clear idea of our mission in Afghanistan: is it to promote democracy, to build a nation, to fight against terrorism or to capture OBL? Historically it has been a tough place to fight: think of the Afghan Wars and the fact that in 1979-89 the Russians had 120,000 soldiers there and had to leave with their tails between their legs. We have 6000 men (half of whom are support staff) in one of the most dangerous parts without enough helicopters or body armour. The coalition forces are painted as invading interlopers and there is a danger that the aggrieved population will turn back to support the Taliban. He heard one spokesman out there telling the people that the West gives $50bn aid to the Third World (as JM asked, where's the Second World?) and yet spends seven times that on agricultural subsidies to an already well-fed Europe and US.
He thinks that we need to win the hearts and minds of the people and that there can't be a military victory without an intellectual victory. We need to have dialogue. To quote Churchill, "Jaw, jaw is better than war, war." When the IRA was bombing the UK, JM started to have discussions with them which was controversial at the time but which began the peace process.

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Winchester Whisperer - Major was very clever in the wording he used in interviews to get over the objection to dialogue with the IRA. He said that if they returned to violence no talks would happen - so when a TV interviewer said to him, 'But haven't the IRA just bombed their way into talks?', he could respond quite honestly, 'The IRA cannot bomb their way into talks; they can bomb their way out of them.'

Reference his comment about the 'Third World', my understanding from schooldays was that this was a 'cold war' term - America and [old] Europe were the 'West', Russia and her allies, plus possibly China were the 'Second World', with the 'Southern Continents' [Africa, South America, India etc.] being labelled 'The Third World'. It is out of date now, but was aligned to a report by Willie Brandt about the rich 'North' and the poor 'South'.

I recently read John Simpson's book 'The wars against Saddam - The hard road to Baghdad'. Very enlightening - I had no idea, for example, that Churchill had implemented chemical warfare against warring tribes in Iraq donkeys years ago, to little effect. I saw an exhibition in the 'arnolfini' art gallery which had a huge amount of video footage, sent on the satellite from Iraq, stored unedited for one to view. Crikey, just looking at it was scary - as it was unedited it was almost like getting live footage from the war zone, filmed as it was on 'digital video' camcorders. One particularly shocking scene showed insurgents whipping themselves with chains.

So I don't think we really fully understand the cultural difference we are up against. And I share your concerns about why we are out in Afghanistan. I am no military man, but surely the huge mistake is to open up a third flank in Iran, and I heard on R4 last night that we appear to be sleep-walking into that as well.

p.s. at the risk of upsetting your readers, do get hold of a copy of 'Maggie - Her Fatal Legacy' by John Sergeant; it does detail what John Major was up against whilst the PM

3:15 pm  
Blogger James Higham said...

Nice post on Major, whom I have a soft spot for.

I'd like you to guest blog, WW, if I could work out who you were. You're strangely familiar in style but I can't place it. Many anonymous commenters here.

6:51 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

james - know what you mean, sir.

I did suggest to the 'Whisperer' that with the hugely eclectic mix of posts she was not one person, but a whole team of disaffected Telegraph journos, but she assures me that isn't the case..

Although I'm surprised she hasn't been snapped up before..

10:26 pm  
Blogger Welshcakes Limoncello said...

Nice post, WW. I respect J Major and it's so nice to hear a politician analyse a situation clearly and calmly without the spin. I like your blog, btw.

4:12 pm  

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